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 Post subject: Re: C5, C6- ZO6 Corvette
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:29 am 
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I'd be all for folding everything into PT & ST,

Jan 5th 2012, 2pm EST:
I agree with Ken.
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 Post subject: Re: C5, C6- ZO6 Corvette
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Yep... fold those GTS-4 Bimmers and AI stangs into ST2 :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: C5, C6- ZO6 Corvette
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jason wrote:
kbrew8991 wrote:
I'd be all for folding everything into PT & ST,

Jan 5th 2012, 2pm EST:
I agree with Ken.
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when you swing for the fence every time up you don't get alot of hits, but when you do... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: C5, C6- ZO6 Corvette
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jason wrote:
kbrew8991 wrote:
I'd be all for folding everything into PT & ST,

Jan 5th 2012, 2pm EST:
I agree with Ken.
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Dang I agree with him also, it can happen...

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 Post subject: Re: C5, C6- ZO6 Corvette
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:43 am 
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kbrew8991 wrote:
I'd be all for folding everything into PT & ST


I would be for this too. Could be 15-20 car fields in ST2 at many tracks. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: C5, C6- ZO6 Corvette
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:45 pm 
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i find the mixing of corvettes(st2 poster car) and mustangs in st2 to be increasingly interested.
it goes hard against what nasa national wants out of that class.

What does NASA national "want" out of the class?


NASA has foundational lifestyle, marketing groups with which they have so well built their product. GTS3/4 cars are for the BMW lover. ST2 is for the Corvette racer. American Iron is for the pony car enthusiast. Put all those cars on similar tire and setup rules and they all run similar lap times. The NASA model though is to grow them seperately. I am not saying its bad by any means.
I wonder what kind of racing we would have if like performing cars all ran in the same class.

Sorry Rob, but you are 100% wrong. ST2 was built for any production car, period! We already had a loser Corvette/Viper series that failed, and we developed this series to not only replace it, but to bring in a variety of other Marques that would allow for better racing with larger classes. I suppose there are some regions where Corvette's dominate ST2, but there are others where ST2 is full of Porsche's and BMW's, and Factory Fives, etc. It is actually the competitors that have "driven" :P the GTS classes and AI classes popularity. When we tried to start consolidating the GTS cars into ST and SU there was a pretty huge push-back from them. The same goes for AI--it has a huge following in some regions, where some other regions have seen a decline with some unhappy drivers. The problem with them coming into ST is that they have modified their cars in ways that we do not want in ST, but they are 100% welcome in STR, which will definitely be growing in the future as we move the tube-frame cars that had ST approval into STR where they belong.

Some of you may not know this, but in Arizona, they have tried folding everyone into either PT or ST for a few years now. And, there are some drivers that just prefer the spec classes. They have been pretty successful at having the cars basically double classed, but ultimately, one has to prep a car for PT/ST or prep the car for the spec class. So, those prepped for the spec class are not really competitive with the cars prepped for PT/ST.

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 Post subject: Re: C5, C6- ZO6 Corvette
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ok....i am usually wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: C5, C6- ZO6 Corvette
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05CobraR wrote:
ok....i am usually wrong.


You must be married...

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 Post subject: Re: C5, C6- ZO6 Corvette
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Greg G. wrote:
STR which will definitely be growing in the future as we move the tube-frame cars that had ST approval into STR where they belong.


Greg I have mixed emotions about that move. While I agree that making the tube framed cars run STR is healthy for the future of the ST classes, here in So Cal we most likely now won't have enough cars to qualify for the Yokohama or Goodyear contingencies. So perhaps it's Hoosiers for 2012, or maybe I'll run TTS where the fields are larger....

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 Post subject: Re: C5, C6- ZO6 Corvette
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:42 pm 
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Yep, its time to get the STR classes going, and the way to do it is to take the cars that belong there and have them run there. As well, we kept getting requests for more and more changes to those tube-frame cars that were approved for ST under somewhat of a spec class type set of rules, and it is just better to let them do what they want in the correct class that does not require our review or approval. Now, you are free to go run with them in STR2 if you want, because the ST cars are legal in STR, just not the other way around. In fact, with the changes that they will be making, they may actually be able to compete with you. I'm guessing that you still drive for fun and competition, and not just tires, right? :) Actually, I've been trying to get a deal where I can come and race with you guys in ST2 this year, but without being the owner of the car, I'm not going to race it without some specifics in the rental arrangement.

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