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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:16 am 
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You can leave me out as the only way I will pass you is if you DNF. I also was refering to Tony B. not Tony J. (not to take away from either :D ).

My engine issues is I don't have enough hp, but is that relative to money.

But your missing my point, I think these guys are drving the cars for challenge of it. If they wanted to win with less effort they would pick another car such as a vette. Which to me and everyone else is the car to have at this point.

Jody if you really feel that we have such an advantage I will be happy to swap cars with you :mrgreen:

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I agree with Jody that those with deep pockets will only get faster with aero. Clearly what we need here is some sort of conditional rule where the size of your wing is based on your financial abilities and your driving skill. Some one like Buffomante gets absoultly nothing.

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Sweet! Sign me up!

But Rob your even poorer than me so I say we will let you have afterburners :shock: !

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I wasn't going to get involved in this discussion until the "deep pockets" comments started flying. Let's make sure we are all on the same page with regard to what that means.

Here's a point of reference so you can compare / contrast with your individual programs.

$26,000 (Our spec car with all spares that anyone could have purchased last year)
$3,000 (Trick Flow top-end engine kit)
$1,000 (SN95 Spindles and Cobra R Front Brakes)
$800 Front and rear sway bars

$30,800 total ($4,800 spent this year).


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Tony I am not trying to start an argument with you, but there is no way in hell any one believes that's what it cost to run your car.

I have only meet you and seen you run one time, but I was high impressed by some one who has Hoosier come with them to make sure the tires work well and a team of either highly dedicated friends or paid employees always working on your car.

You sir are a pro driver with a pro crew, I am glad you run with us as I always look forward to learning from someone with greater ability.

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Thankfully I do consider my dad a friend.

He doesn't even charge me that much either!


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I wasn't going to get involved in this discussion until the "deep pockets" comments started flying. Let's make sure we are all on the same page with regard to what that means.

Here's a point of reference so you can compare / contrast with your individual programs.

$26,000 (Our spec car with all spares that anyone could have purchased last year)
$3,000 (Trick Flow top-end engine kit)
$1,000 (SN95 Spindles and Cobra R Front Brakes)
$800 Front and rear sway bars

$30,800 total ($4,800 spent this year).


Tony B.


:lol:

I think by the end of the year my cars going to be worth ~$10,000

My budget for the year is about $2,500. See you at Nats! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Just out of curiosity, how long do those Hoosier A6's last?

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We're getting 12-15 heat cycles out of the A6s before they fall off.

We cut a tire down in qualifying and put a right rear on that had 17 heat cycles and ended up turning our fastest laps of the weekend in the race.

The car only weighs about 2560 so it's not that hard on tires.


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abuffom wrote:
We're getting 12-15 heat cycles out of the A6s before they fall off.

We cut a tire down in qualifying and put a right rear on that had 17 heat cycles and ended up turning our fastest laps of the weekend in the race.

The car only weighs about 2560 so it's not that hard on tires.


I am jealous...at 3700++ lbs I am lucky to get 3-4 heat cycles without cording a tire ('specially the rear). After the 2nd cycle the tire loses quite a bit.


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I'm w/ David. After 3-4 heat cycles my tires are toast. My car is 3250 after the race. 17 heat cycles= driving n the rims

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The big issue here that hasn't been mentioned by the cobra drivers is the weight. Most of us Vette and Viper guys are at least 800 pounds heavier. ( Some are 1200... ask Pintaric)

We have issues too. Brakes, tires, etc.

Do the cobra's see brake fade during a race? How many laps until the tires get greasy?

I am all for giving aero mods to a Cobra if they weigh in over 3000 lbs.

There is away to make the cars faster in the corners and it isn't aero mods. Someone will figure it out sooner or later.

The bottom line is that the cobra has won 4-5 straight races in ST2 trim. I believe that the ruleset is working out.

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